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« on: August 14, 2009, 06:45:52 PM »

RTM is out. Has been out for a week actually.

RTM is like when a video game goes gold. It is pretty much retail unless something catastrophic happens (it wont). Every version fits on one DVD. Yes a regular DVD5, no fancy shit dual layer or DVD9 shit. Every fucking version 32bit and 64bit. Winimaging rules.

This is the last version of windows to come in 32 bit flavors. 64 bit still requires signed drivers unless you boot into unsigned driver mode or run a hack for it. This is a good thing and protects the community from hating on 64 bit in general because of asshole developers that put out shitty drivers for their hardware and everyone blames Windows/64bit for the resulting problems. If they did this with 32 bit Vista maybe no one would have hated it.

Why should you choose 64 bit? Eventually, more and more developers will create 64bit support in their applications and they will run faster. Its been slowly happening for over 5 years. Most applications are just seeing their first 64 bit apps come out, like Adobe's CS applications. More importantly, shitty drivers from shitty developers keep Microsoft from ever addressing more than 4Gb of memory on 32bit. Furthermore, 32bit cannot even address all of 4Gb because it has to reserve space in that 4Gb for any RAM that is on other hardware such as your video card. This is why if you have 4 Gb of RAM and a 512Mb video card, you only have 3.5Gb of available memory to windows. 64 bit does not suffer from any of these drawbacks. 4Gb of ram is 4Gb of ram, 16Gb of ram is 16Gb of ram. Also, if you don't do it now, you are doing it the next version of Windows no matter what.

If you are still on XP  think of this, you are using a 8 year old operating system. EIGHT FUCKING YEARS. This is the computer industry, that is almost as old as Quakeworld Team Fortress. Think about that. I first installed XP on a PENTIUM 3 laptop that cost TWO GRAND at the time. Shit is ancient. If you are a Vista hater you should know, Vista wasn't that bad and 7 still is Vista with updated Aero, no sidebar, and is less intrusive UAC. Oh and it does it all using less resources and starts faster. It also ships with IE8 and WMP12 and DivX/DVD playback.

You don't need a key to install it. You have 30 days to enter a key and activate it, but you also get 3 "rearms". Rearms are a way to reset the timer when it gets low. See http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/11/06/how-to-rearm-and-extend-free-usage-activation-grace-period-of-windows-7-to-120-days/

Update: That link is not to be followed exactly,  If you run sysprep /generalize instead of slmgr /rearm you will lose your user directory and profiles. Sysprep is made to take your current windows install and erase all user specific data on it including machineID to make it an image suitable for deployment. You don't run sysprep on a machine unless you know what you are doing. Follow quote below.

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1. Install Windows 7 without any product activation key.
   2. After installation is completed, use the Windows 7 for 30 days and wait for the remaining days left to activate Windows counting down to 0, or almost zero.
   3. When the activation grace period (or evaluation trial period) is almost expired or ended, log on to Windows 7 desktop, and open a Command Prompt window (i.e. type Cmd in Start Search and hit Enter).
   4. Type any of the following commands into the command prompt, and then hit Enter:

      slmgr /rearm

      slmgr.vbs –rearm

      rundll32 slc.dll,SLReArmWindows

      
   5. Reboot Windows 7 to enjoy another 30 days of free usage without worrying about activation nor even need to crack Windows 7.
   6. When the activation grace period countdown timer almost running down to 0 again, repeat the ‘rearm’ trick to enjoy another 30 days of Windows 7 for free. User can run the rearm command for maximum of 3 times.

So basically if you install it right now you have 120 days to use it before you need to get your retail key. It has already been cracked for activation but you would be stupid for using pre retail cracks when you have 119 more days to worry about that shit. We will not be discussing cracks here (irc).


Other useful shit.

Here is how to put it on a USB drive and speed up WinPE (the thing that installs windows) for quick installs

http://www.intowindows.com/how-to-install-windows-7vista-from-usb-drive-detailed-100-working-guide/


It comes with DivX, but you probably want some other codecs too. Word on the street is this new Shark007 Codec pack is one upping k-lite.

Shark 007: http://shark007.net/win7codecs.html
If you can live without iTunes you can check out a quicktime alternative: http://www.codecguide.com/qt_lite.htm
Real player alternative: http://www.codecguide.com/download_real.htm

XIMers will need this to run the xim software if you choose 64 bit because obviously the XIM guys are not getting Microsoft to ever sign off on their driver.
http://www.blogsdna.com/2775/install-unsigned-drivers-on-windows-7-vista-with-driver-signature-enforcement-overrider.htm


Differences in versions:

Starter: Garbage, don't worry about. Maybe for cheaper netbooks. 32 bit only.

Home Basic: Garbage, don't worry about. Maybe for cheaper netbooks. 32bit/64bit.

Home Premium: Think of this as Home, they would have called it Home except that people currently have Vista Home Premium would be offended. Comes with Media Center (not player, they all have player). 32bit/64bit.

Professional: Think of this as Vista Business, its Home Premium with file encryption and backup utilities. 32bit/64bit.

Ultimate: The big dog, this has everything, including full disk encryption with bit locker. 32bit/64bit.

Enterprise: This is Ultimate for Volume Licensing. DO NOT INSTALL THIS. It needs to be activated through a server that resides on your LAN that is authorized directly by Microsoft. Its for bigshot corporations and such. 32bit/64bit.


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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2009, 07:04:17 PM »

First impressions.

My first install of Vista, nothing was wrong. Everything worked. I had some drivers to update like video card but that was it. That is a very high bar to top. I don't really give a flying fuck what the public thinks of Vista, I still think it was a decent OS.

First install of Win7, my D drive is my DVD drive and I have no more hard disks in my computer. What the fuck I should have 2. Check disk management and it sees it but decided against giving it a drive letter. Once I gave it a letter all was well. "That is a huge bug, how is this thing getting such good reviews?" I think to myself. First things first, lets run netplwiz so I never have to enter a password to log in. Yup same as Vista, uncheck this box, enter my password twice. Let me double check if that actually worked. Reboot, get prompted for a login. Now I think to myself "Okay what in the fuck, what a piece of shit, how is this getting such good reviews?"

I redo the netplwiz autologin stuff, it works this time. Lets change my power plan, oh they changed that confusing power/sleep button on the start menu, nice. I don't need to change the power plan as much as I used to as a result.

More exploration, It is the usual stuff, start menu is the same as Vista to me, it still has the awesome pin to menu options and search right at the bottom. I customize it, put the favorites shortcut on there, hide help, show run. I've read enough previews to realize that the new task menu and how I'm going to utilize it. And how everyone grandmother will be confused by it. I no longer need a Quick Launch toolbar for the first time in a decade and I'm excited about that. I install my apps and firefox no problem. Install all my drivers, windows update, AND NEVER GET PROMPTED TO REBOOT. Holy shit "This is why this thing is getting such good reviews" I think to myself.

Check control panel, oh man view by small icons, YES, thank you Microsoft for fixing control panel. Its been whack since 2000 imo.

All my apps work with the exception of Daemon Tools which requires a reboot and suppression of some message saying it won't run with this version of Windows. Office 2007 installs fine from a mounted ISO and the program installed and works fine. Oh well, that is the only third party hangup I have for a 64 bit OS that is not even released yet. Color me impressed.

I pin some apps to my start menu, and Firefox, Mirc, and Steam to my taskbar. Hide all my icons except for sound in the system tray. Hey, this new system tray fucking rules, and this auto dock windows to the side of displays is pretty nifty too.

Goodbye XP, Goodbye Vista, Hello 7.

I reboot to feel sane.
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2009, 03:48:00 PM »

Well you see, with my HP 8530p laptop i have one mjor issue which keeps me on vista.

I cannot make an extended desktop while it's plugged into the tv via HDMI. Once the new drivers for the video card are out, then i will migrate and i can add my technical opinion.

btw, i still ended up just flat out disabling UAC for the short time i was trying shit out.
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2009, 05:57:59 PM »

That should take approximately 2 seconds by using windows key + p if the drivers are win7 ready.

Can't technically complain about drivers until next month I guess. I'm waiting for printer drivers atm but I'd rather use 7 without a printer than vista with one.
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